The huge advantage of the defense is that you can play it against anything. Also interesting is to play the franco benoni reversed which was. Benoni / Franco-Sicilian Defense (A43) 3 simultaneous pins. Morphy vs A Meek, (A43) Old Benoni, 12 moves, Benoni Gambit Accepted (A43) . Buy The Franco-Benoni Defense: A Black Defensive System: Everything Else – ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases.

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Is the Franco-Benoni playable, “busted” or great? For what it’s worth, here’s another Sefense vs. GM game I’ve long had in my “memory bank” concerning this opening. Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. I looked up the Avrukh recommendation, and if I’m not missing anything he assumes the move order 1. Nc3, where White can and often will recapture with the knight on d5.

This is not available if White has played 1. So the main lines of the Franco-Benoni can’t actually arise from Avrukh’s lines. He even seems determined to avoid them, for example meeting 1. Improvement begins at the edge of your comfort zone. The F-B is on my list of “rare but tricky defences I should prepare something against” defenes if there is some great line for White Bwnoni want to know which it is! Lake d4 on Planet Chess Joined: What to study, apart from this thread, which I have printed out for reading, if one wants to master this dubious-looking Semi-Benoni position?

I dabbled frznco the Franco-Benoni in the early s. Should still have my old game scores available.

Look forward to seeing ‘n’ getting to grips with it! Not that it wouldn’t surprise me at all if White could obtain a clear advantage Do you have any improvements prepared over Avrukh’s analysis or is his recommendation still holding up as a clear route to an advantage?

All our dreams come true if we have the drfense to pursue them. A fascinating thread, whatever one thinks of the opening! Summarising the discussion thus far, benoi major tabiyas have been highlighted each reachable by the usual mind-bending variety of move orders: There are also the two Barcza variations of course the second inferior to the first?

But T7 has led to: Ne5 11 Bg5 What do folk think of these latter plans? Finally a couple of move-order wrinkles. Of course there are many other move-order nuances, according to what one wants. For example, 5 Nf3 Nf6 6 h3!? Be7 7 Frzncoand now 8 c4 might be tedious for Black 8 Nc3 rranco a possible route to T2.

I agree with TopNotch. White has a solid advantage, based on his space advantage. The problem for black is that he does not have any active counterplay.

It is a completely different opening then the modern Benoni.

Black does not have a queenside pawn majority, no pressure on the e-file and he does not have time to fianchetto his f8 bisschop. It is not much fun playing the franco-benoni as black.

I don’t think the Franco is busted or unplayable, I simply consider it passive and don’t see any attraction for it. Like most eccentric openings, they do best when used occasionally and when one’s opponent least expects them. My contention is that White armed with just a few key ideas as to where to put his pieces and what plan to adopt is enough to maintain a pleasant plus against this opening.


The man who tries to do something and fails is infinitely better than he who tries to do nothing and succeeds – Lloyd Jones. There are a few bits like extraneous symbols and the repetition of the move Bf4 that made it unclear to me on my preliminary glance what was going on.

I think I could be forgiven for thinking that you were at least somewhat endorsing your computer’s view of a “tremendous advantage,” in light of your initial claims.

You mention again that this defense is generally not seen at the highest echelons. You initially contrasted it with the Schmid Benoni, which is not exactly a common guest there either.

I recall being rather surprised at seeing it played a while back in a game of, I think, Ivanchuk. The Steinitz seems to be invisible at top level, and is played much less often by GMs than the Franco-Benoni is. You asked my opinion about I don’t think it’s the most natural move, because I would think that Black’s general preference in such positions would be to play Na6 with the idea of Nc7, so as to put more pressure on d5 and help promote Na6 as the main line, while none that I am aware of mentions There’s also the trade-oriented possibility of NCO considers the N to e3 maneuver in this guise: Ne3, frnco a slight advantage.

It looks like Kengis could have aimed to hinder that maneuver as Larsen might have started doing with an earlier Ffanco invites one kind of exchange, but the Rogerian type of play invites another. But even the way the Rogers game went, it looks as though White was left say at move 27 with just the slightest of advantages. It might be noted that Rogers played this defense with Black, against a fellow GM, after the Kengis game.

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Also over 40 other GMs have played or offered to play it in the last decade, some of them repeatedly. Thanks, I will remember that knight manoeuvre in case I will ever met the Franco-Benoni. This is better than memorizing several lines from Black probably will deviate anyway. The book had the effect good books usually have: For what it’s worth, though, I think the Kasparov book was rather dismissive of it. Kylemeister, I’m disappointed by the tone of your response.

I never once claimed to be as good as ECO or Kasparov. I included Fritz’ general evaluations to show the computer’s bias, not to persuade anyone that it is correct. In fact, Fracno pointed out that it probably isn’t correct.


I do appreciate that Black doesn’t have to play Do your own comments mean that Black shouldn’t play the natural move and that I should look at Which move do you consider to be Black’s best move, and why?


I’m not Frznco, but I’m not a slouch either. I will respect you when you post analysis, all I ask is the same in ebnoni. Now, as for attacking the quality of my analysis, go for it! Regarding the second game, you stated that my notes are garbled.

They aren’t really garbled, but I could have used more punctuation in one or two places to make the comment read more fluidly. There are several lines that I look at, but if you follow the analysis with a ftanco, I think you will find that the lines do make sense.

Otherwise, please be specific and I will gladly try to make sense of my own comments! Btw, I don’t frranco that I use the computer, but I will point out where the computer and I disagree. Again, I pointed out that Fritz already had made up its “mind” about the variation by move 6. I’m not so convinced, but there are plenty of good reasons why the highest echelons of players don’t go into this line as Black. The question, which I can’t answer right now, is whether 6.

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Which Kasparov book are we talking about here, as I find it highly suspicious that Kasparov himself would be dismissive of this 6. While it is not clear that 6. Bb5 is more accurate than 6. Be2 Though I have a feeling it iswhat is clear is that White can maintain an advantage after either move, the only question being the size of that advantage.

The examples chosen by SF are excellent in that they highlight the ideal piece placement and typical plans for White that prove the most challenging for Franco advocates to face. As I stated in my description of the Franco, the variation is one of plans moreso than a concrete sequence of moves. The ECO reference is worthless and the assessment incorrect in my opinion, why, its very simple, less space combined with passively placed pieces and a lack of meaningful counterplay equal worse position in my book.

Just because you see a line given in a text as equal doesn’t mean you have to accept it, especially when it goes against decades of accumalated chess wisdom and logic. Lets take a look at the ECO referrenced game that has been referred to more than once in this thread: Nf1 to e3 followed by a later f4 or Rb1 b4 depending on circumstances.

Rxe8 Nxe8 [Every exchange is a minor victory for Black] This Knight manoeuvre represents a typical and key strategy for White against the Franco and some other Benoni structures as well, and one would do well to take special note of it. Neither do I have an answer, but I know where to find it. Everything depends on the question if Black has to play Nbd7 like Santos did.

If Black has better, like